Rather than consuming kind of all this additional context through this tiny little portal that we carry around on a phone, and you’re just kind of like looking at this and you’re missing the whole context. Whereas if historically, it was all physical and there was very little kind of information or digital overlay on top of it… I think it’s probably gonna be a lot healthier for us. Maybe over time, the sort of ratio of the amount of physical stuff that we interact with to digital stuff shifts and becomes more balanced, or something like that. Maybe in the future, they’re not physical, maybe they’re just holograms, because you can change them really easily. So in a world, in the future, where you know, a lot of the things that might be physical today, I mean, maybe these, this kind of art and sculptures and stuff that you have here. Seems familiar… Zuckerberg on improving art Certainly the environments available in Meta’s VR platforms are incredibly generic. It’s true that a shared VR environment would create more of a sense of space common to both participants, but I question whether that environment would be more conducive to memory than a video call. If you and I are in the same room, what we see and hear from each other is really quite different and we may remember it very differently. While I appreciate Zuckerberg’s attempt at an aesthetic (in its broader sense) argument regarding the sympathetic nature of forming shared memories, I feel that the interactions he’s describing are actually highly asymmetric in real life, and Zoom in fact creates a sort of super-symmetry contained in the flat display that doesn’t reflect the differences we would feel. So we actually we don’t have any kind of shared spatial sense of that. Because now it’s every meeting that you have looks the same, right? There’s no symmetry, right? So if you’re in the top left of my, of my box, square, that doesn’t mean that I’m in the same place for you. So you take something like Zoom, and it just completely blows it up. I guess it doesn’t quite work because the headphones but normally, you know, if I, if you talk it’s coming from that direction, and spatial audio and kind of directional building a spatial model of things is how we make memories. We have a shared memory of kind of the space, of the place.

Right? So, you know, when I leave here today, I’ll remember that you were across from me, and there’s a symmetry, right, it’s like, you’re across from me. Because I mean, the way that our memory works, it’s like, it’s very special. Part of what’s a little trippy about it is that in some ways, some of these experiences, I think, feel more realistic than for example having a Zoom call, right, where you can actually see the person’s face. (These quotes have been very lightly edited for clarity.) Zuckerberg on symmetry Here’s what Zuckerberg thinks about various things.

Life is too short to listen to a three-hour conversation between successful normal human Mark Zuckerberg and the farcically neutral Joe Rogan, so I’m taking a different tack: scrolling very fast through an extremely long transcript and picking nuggets more or less at random.

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